From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Nov 05 16:11:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Nov 2002 00:11:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 25506 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 00:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2002 00:11:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 00:11:17 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 189Dmv-00071e-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:11:17 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189DmE-000718-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:10:34 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lsanca2-ar28-4-47-240-153.lsanca2.dsl-verizon.net ([4.47.240.153] helo=surreality.us ident=mail) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189DmA-00070z-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:10:30 -0800 Received: from surreality ([127.0.0.1] helo=surreality.us ident=rizen) by surreality.us with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 189Dm8-0001ta-00 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 16:10:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:10:21 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: What the heck is this crap? Message-Id: <20021105161021.7e4188d7.rizen@surreality.us> In-Reply-To: <20021105183900.B73242-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> References: <20021105222732.GH22843@digitalkingdom.org> <20021105183900.B73242-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.F7ci:QS'l/'P24" X-archive-position: 2429 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rizen@surreality.us Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Theodore Reed From: Theodore Reed Reply-To: rizen@surreality.us X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --=.F7ci:QS'l/'P24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:42:39 -0500 (EST) Invent Yourself wrote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > This drastically changes the semantics of lojban as I understand > > them. As I engage in real-time conversations in the language, albeit > > with word lookup, I feel that I understand the basic semantics > > pretty well. > > But it gets worse. According to Nick Nicholas, in a recent email to > me: > > > zo'e = su'o de > > > > ro bangu cu selfi'i zo'e = ro da poi bangu; su'o de zo'u: da > > selfinti de(This is read as there being a possibly distinct de for > > each da) > > > > zo'e finti ro bangu = su'o de; ro da poi bangu zo'u: de finti da > > (This is read as there being at least one de inventing all da) I still say that I don't know why "possibly distinct de for each da" != "at least one de inventing all da". -- Theodore Reed (rizen/bancus) -==- http://surreality.us:8080/~rizen/ ~GPG/PGP Signed/Encrypted Mail Preferred; Finger me for my public key!~ "Like a man who has worn eyeglasses so long that he forgets he has them on, we forget that the world looks to us the way it does because we have become used to seeing it that way through a particular set of lenses." -- Kenich Ohmae --=.F7ci:QS'l/'P24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yF3zw24JwM4aDNwRAjkUAKDmLS5ZRKrMXrN4EgGuBmfD62WvXACdEhnn d5beTUXDIe6qghJNnnmP1vQ= =yfWP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.F7ci:QS'l/'P24--