From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Nov 05 20:24:52 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Nov 2002 04:24:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 80500 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 04:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2002 04:24:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 04:24:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 189HkJ-0002JT-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:24:51 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189HkA-0002J3-00; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:24:42 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189Hk5-0002Im-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:24:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA64OZh76141 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:24:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 23:24:35 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: zo'e =? su'o de (was Re: What the heck is this crap?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021105232318.K76102-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2449 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, And Rosta wrote: > Jordan: > > > However, the so-called "inner quantifier" functions as an indicator > > > of cardinality. I don't see why a set of cardinality ro has to be > > > a set of cardinality su'o. This is a subject of ongoing debate on > > > Jboske > > > > If ro is importing (and apparently it is), it does > > This is debatable. Firstly, the fact that quantifier ro is importing > does not not entail that cardinality ro entails su'o. Secondly, > it is not necessarily ro that it importing: I hold to the view that > it is da that is importing, so that just as {ro da poi broda} entails > {da broda}, so does {no da poi broda}. But {da broda} = {su'oda broda}. -- "In the Soviet Union, government controls industry. In the United States, industry controls government. That is the principal structural difference between the two great oligarchies of our time." -- Edward Abbey