From pycyn@aol.com Wed Nov 06 13:40:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Nov 2002 21:40:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 68842 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2002 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 21:40:29 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.122.1a0db154 (4539) for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <122.1a0db154.2afae64a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:40:26 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: importing ro To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_122.1a0db154.2afae64a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra --part1_122.1a0db154.2afae64a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/2002 12:23:23 PM Central Standard Time, araizen@newmail.net writes: << > >It should be noted, btw, that: > > > > no pavyseljirna cu blabi > > > >is a false statement because no imports also, since it can be moved > >around. > > If it is indeed false, then either 'su'o pavyseljirna' is not importing > (probably not the best option), or 'no pavyseljirna' != 'naku su'o > pavyseljirna', which is extremely counterintuitive, no matter how > intuitive an importing ro might be >> I think it is true and {no broda} does not import for broda. That is certainly the simplest way to do it -- provided {mi'ero broda} does also not import for broda. But, of course, this means going beyond -- and soimetimes against -- what CLL says about negation movement and the like. But, given that that was written in oblivion of the second system (not really, but let's leave that for now), it seems appropriate to correct it at this time (again). --part1_122.1a0db154.2afae64a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/6/2002 12:23:23 PM Central Standard Time, araizen@newmail.net writes:
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>It should be noted, btw, that:
>
>  no pavyseljirna cu blabi
>
>is a false statement because no imports also, since it can be moved
>around.

If it is indeed false, then either 'su'o pavyseljirna' is not importing
(probably not the best option), or 'no pavyseljirna' != 'naku su'o
pavyseljirna', which is extremely counterintuitive, no matter how
intuitive an importing ro might be

>>
I think it is true and {no broda} does not import for broda. That is certainly the simplest way to do it -- provided {mi'ero broda} does also not import for broda. But, of course, this means going beyond -- and soimetimes against -- what CLL says about negation movement and the like.  But, given that that was written in oblivion of the second system (not really, but let's leave that for now), it seems appropriate to correct it at this time (again).

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