From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed Nov 06 15:41:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Nov 2002 23:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 32299 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2002 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 23:41:01 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 189ZnB-0001zB-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:41:01 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189Zmw-0001yu-00; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:40:46 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mrin02.spray.se ([212.78.193.8] helo=mrin02.st1.spray.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189Zmr-0001yc-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2002 15:40:41 -0800 Received: from lmin06.st1.spray.net (lmin06.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.106]) by mrin02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AECE241400 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:40:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-71-5.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.71.5]) by lmin06.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90A327D3B for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:40:06 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: What the heck is this crap? Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:41:55 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021106125016.B88981-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 2472 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin xod: > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 02:36:21AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > > But I wouldn't expect you or (hypothetically) me or anyone, when > > > *speaking* Lojban, to get the scope right, or even, for that matter, > > > to get uncontroversial things like terminators right > > > > Heh > > > > You know, that's a good point. Makes me feel a bit better > > If sumti order affects meaning, even without any lo sumti, then yes, it is > another level of meaning to keep track of, which will certainly slow my > speech down noticeably But who on earth would notice if you got the sumti order wrong? None of us are fluent enough to notice in real time speech (are we?). I suppose you're just saying that you want to train yourself into Good Habits, which is very commendable. --And.