From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Nov 06 19:27:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Nov 2002 03:27:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 28179 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2002 03:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Nov 2002 03:27:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.92) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2002 03:27:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:27:39 -0800 Received: from 200.69.2.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 03:27:39 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: importing ro Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 03:27:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 03:27:39.0854 (UTC) FILETIME=[A019D6E0:01C2860D] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.2.52] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 la and cusku di'e > > (5) "DeMorgan" > > ro broda cu brode = naku su'o broda naku brode > >Anyway, I wonder whether (5) really is De Morgan. Wouldn't true >DeMorgan be: > > ro da ga na broda gi brode = na ku su'o da ge broda gi na ku brode > >(5) would not be true DeMorgan precisely if {ro broda cu brode} >is not equivalent to {ro da ga na broda gi brode} (but is >instead equivalent to {ro lo su'o broda cu brode}. Yes. It doesn't really matter what names we use. The central point is that if we want {naku ro broda cu brode} to be equivalent to {su'o broda naku brode}, we have to define {ro broda cu brode} as {ro da ganai broda gi brode}. If we don't define it like that, then the negation passage won't always work. > > The whole issue is irrelevant in 99.99% of usage > >I'm not so sure. It may be irrelevant to 99.9% of usage as a >whole, but is it irrelevant to 99.9% of usage of ro? I >don't think so -- necessarily-nonimporting "every" is very >common in English (at least in the varieties I'm exposed to >in quotidian and professional life); pc's experience differs). You may be right. It would be interesting to see the results if someone actually took the trouble of going through some corpus to measure the relative frequencies. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus