From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Thu Nov 07 16:37:47 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Nov 2002 00:37:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 3367 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 00:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2002 00:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2002 00:37:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 189x9e-0003DC-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:37:46 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189x9c-0003Cv-00; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:37:44 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from lmin07.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.107]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 189x9X-0003CG-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 16:37:40 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-66-228.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.66.228]) by lmin07.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF59F250E2 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 01:37:06 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: importing ro Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:38:58 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021107190944.R88073-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 2510 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin xod: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, And Rosta wrote: > > > I had forgotten that you don't accept > > > > ro broda cu brode > > = ro da poi broda cu brode > > > > You have no grounds for saying this "is just not true", unless it > > is clearly stated in the Red Book of Woldemar. It is not a question > > of logic, it is merely a question of Lojban. Those two structures > > are equivalent if we decree they are and not equivalent if we > > decree they aren't. They are Lojban bridi, not logical formulas > > Are you sure that refusal to accept that equation is a > legitimate possibility? It's legitimate by simple logical and linguistic criteria. I don't know whether it's legitimate by the criterion of compatibility with Woldy. Maybe Jordan with his intimate knowledge of Scripture can tell us whether the book pronounces one way or another on it. Certainly the common lore has always been that they are equivalent, with pc as a dissenting voice. --And.