From xod@thestonecutters.net Fri Nov 08 10:52:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Nov 2002 18:52:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 40663 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2002 18:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Nov 2002 18:52:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2002 18:52:39 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18AEFD-0006P7-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:52:39 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18AEF7-0006Oq-00; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:52:33 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18AEF2-0006Oh-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:52:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA8IqR936185 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:52:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:52:27 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Attempting to bring the ro debate to a resolution In-Reply-To: <200211081222.HAA29371@mail2.reutershealth.com> Message-ID: <20021108134254.O35332-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, John Cowan wrote: > To me, (1) the unconditional form "Each globnik is spatulous" (ro > [da poi] broda cu brode) entails that there are globniks. It is a logical fallacy, as shown by the link Jordan posted. Also, if the existence of globniks is intermittent, uncertain, historical, hypothetical, or predicted, discussing their characteristics should not be taken as any promise that they actually exist at the time of the utterance. .i sa'e do'a la'e ro valsi cu sidbo je na'e dacti And that's a fallacy even the Great Ayer fell prey to! -- "In the Soviet Union, government controls industry. In the United States, industry controls government. That is the principal structural difference between the two great oligarchies of our time." -- Edward Abbey