From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Sat Nov 09 12:44:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 9 Nov 2002 20:44:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 92871 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2002 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Nov 2002 20:44:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mrin01.st1.spray.net) (212.78.193.7) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Nov 2002 20:44:09 -0000 Received: from lmin03.st1.spray.net (lmin03.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.103]) by mrin01.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2791EC7B1 for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:44:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-69-238.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.69.238]) by lmin03.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8914B1729D for ; Sat, 9 Nov 2002 21:44:06 +0100 (MET) To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Subject: On the blindingly rapid speed of Lojban decision-making Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 20:45:59 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Idly googling I, ironically, stumbled across a message from me from just over 7 years ago (http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9509/msg00195.html), containing this: # Iain to pc: # > > We cannot do this in Lojban, however, because, through a series of # > > decisions, each taken for its own good reasons but without (some # > > would argue) adequate attention to long range effects, Lojban has # > > identified three originally very distinct notions, _ro da poi broda_, # > > _ro broda_ and _ro lo broda_. Since the first of these was created # > > exactly to have a universal quantifier with existential import, # > Unfortunately, nobody told us that. :-) # # Too right. Surely it is obvious by now that there is no official line # on how things work, and so The Powers That Be should take one, by # whatever means official lines get taken. Or at least these discussions # could be focused by debating the pros and cons of a proposed official # line. # # Take, for example, the goatleg rule. We may not agree that it's the # best solution, but at least we know where we stand. It's amusing (in a wry, grim way) to see how much progess we've made since then! (i.e. zero) --And.