From olivera@macs.biu.ac.il Sat Nov 09 17:40:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Nov 2002 01:40:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 83346 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2002 01:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2002 01:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2002 01:40:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Ah5J-0000qe-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:40:21 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Ah57-0000qL-00; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:40:09 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from outmail.cc.huji.ac.il ([132.64.1.18] helo=mail2.cc.huji.ac.il) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Ah4y-0000pw-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 09 Nov 2002 17:40:00 -0800 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.cc.huji.ac.il (Postfix) with SMTP id 107833FF90; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:39:57 +0200 (IST) Received: from cc.huji.ac.il (cc.huji.ac.il [132.64.1.5]) by mail2.cc.huji.ac.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9F23FE1C for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:39:56 +0200 (IST) Received: from avitallap (di8-33.dialin.huji.ac.il [132.64.10.33]) by cc.huji.ac.il (Postfix) with SMTP id E564A48F1 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2002 03:39:50 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <004101c287cb$8c9c7590$0300a8c0@avitallap> To: References: <200211091741.MAA13211@mail2.reutershealth.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: partial recantation in favour of solomonics Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 03:39:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-archive-position: 2572 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: olivera@macs.biu.ac.il Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "Avital Oliver" Reply-To: olivera@macs.biu.ac.il X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=60925700 X-Yahoo-Profile: mivmai From: "John Cowan" > And Rosta scripsit: > > > But actually I think you and me and xod agree. Provided we indicate > > the world where unicorns exist, everybody's happy. > > Indeed. But xod rejected that strategy, saying he preferred to remain > in the real world. And in the real world, "50% of unicorns are male" > has indeterminate truth value. I don't see why this is your view. Let A be the number of unicorns. Let B be the number of male unicorns. You seem to understand the sentence "50% of unicorns are male" as "B/A = 50%" (obviously this is incorrect. B/A is undefined). I, on the other hand, understand the sentence as "B * 50% = A", which is true. This allows speaking of 50% of unicorns and yet staying mathematically consistent. Avital.