From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Nov 14 10:46:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 14 Nov 2002 18:46:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 48882 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2002 18:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Nov 2002 18:46:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2002 18:46:38 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18CP0g-0002yX-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:38 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18CP0c-0002yB-00; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:34 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18CP0X-0002xs-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:29 -0800 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 10:46:29 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: IRC logs and text archives - volunteers wanted Message-ID: <20021114184629.GH439@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021113231400.0337d580@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021113231400.0337d580@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021114043147.033943d0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021114043147.033943d0@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2605 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:05:58AM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 10:43 PM 11/13/02 -0600, Jordan wrote: > >I have essentially noninterrupted logs (10 megs of em) since Sun > >May 12 08:40:20 2002, when I first joined. > > That's a lot! I wonder if Robin has room for that much (and more if > it keeps accumulating at that rate). /dev/hda7 26209780 11778400 13099996 48% /home That's in kilobytes. IOW, I currently have over 13 *gig* free. That's in only one drive. > What percentage of it would you say is IN Lojban, as opposed to being > discussion in English (or other languages) ABOUT Lojban Umm, I'd say ~5-10% is non-trivial lojban. A bit less since I started working on nuntalyli'u, because I was two burnt out to speak in lojban and I'm one of the major instigators. > >However, I wonder what the interest in such text could be? > > When we say "let usage decide", "usage" is NOT limited to major > translation efforts. If we look at the text archives of stuff on the > list, and translations, it is heavily dominated by a couple of > Lojbanists (Nick and Goran in the early days, Jorge and xod more > recently). Robin P. has pointed out that there are people active on > IRC that are not active on the list and in other forums, and this > suggests that we would have a much broader spectrum of usage, from > more members of the community, than we can get from the existing text > archives. I agree. > >It's all 'conversation quality', > > Conversation is a rather important form of language usage, is it not? > The question is not whether its quality is "conversational" but > whether it represents "skilled usage", and that obviously has to be > evaluated by looking at the whole text of the person who wrote it, as > well as the audience of who he was writing to, rather than a single > snippet of conversation out of context. I'd say that it's skilled usage if it communicates meaning. 8) > >Anyway I'm happy to provide them if someone wants them. > > We definitely will want them - heck, *I* want them for the LLG > archive, but I think an on-line archive is at least as important as my > having files here on my computer constituting the "official archive". I would like them, but this leads to another point: I'd really like to have a constant running log of IRC, for all the reasons lojbab points out. I'd like to have it running from multiple 'net locations for failure avoidance. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about IRC! Could someone *please* recommend a simple log bot to me? Thanks. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ http://www.lojban.org/ la lojban. jai curmi roda .einai to ku'i so'ada mukti le nu co'a darlu le'o -- RLP I'm a *male* Robin.