From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Nov 19 04:58:42 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 19 Nov 2002 12:58:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 36038 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 12:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2002 12:58:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 12:58:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18E7xh-0006VA-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:58:41 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18E7xW-0006Um-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:58:30 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:58:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.safelogic.se ([62.119.45.210] helo=mail.safelogic.se) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18E7xR-0006Uc-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 04:58:25 -0800 Received: from caesar.safelogic.se (caesar.safelogic.se [192.168.100.6]) by mail.safelogic.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B3DB6C7 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:58:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [lojban] Re: Let's be friends To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <0211190730090E.01930@neofelis> References: <20021116225301.QCGE4359.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@Savv> <1037700037.9323.5.camel@caesar.safelogic.se> <3DDA2A13.7020302@bilkent.edu.tr> <0211190730090E.01930@neofelis> Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Date: 19 Nov 2002 13:58:24 +0100 Message-Id: <1037710704.9323.15.camel@caesar.safelogic.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-archive-position: 2640 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: d95mback@dtek.chalmers.se Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Martin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Norb=E4ck?= From: Martin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Norb=E4ck?= Reply-To: d95mback@dtek.chalmers.se X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out tis 2002-11-19 klockan 13.30 skrev Pierre Abbat: > On Tuesday 19 November 2002 07:09, robin wrote: > li'o > > I rather like the practice of using the combining form for the first > > element and the full gismu for the second, so that people who have a > > grasp of the gismu list but can't be bothered to learn the combining > > forms can at least get an idea of what the word is about. For example, > > many years back I coined "kurmikce" for "nurse". I could have used > > "kurmi'e", but apart from the fact that I like the sound of "kurmikce", > > it's easier to guess. > > Sometimes the gismu is misleading. For instance, latfi'e and mlafi'e are > fish, but xajyfi'e isn't, so you probably don't want to say "xajyfinpe". But isn't it an absolute requirement that the tanru and the lujvo are special cases of the root gismu? If xajyfi'e (dolphin?) isn't a fish, then finpe cannot mean "fish", but perhaps "fish-like animal". And the gismu word-list says: x1 is a fish of species x2 [metaphorical extension to sharks, non-fish aquatic vertebrates] Why sharks are mentioned, I don't know, since they are true fish, but dolphins can be counted as non-fish aquatic vertebrates, as can penguins and crocodiles. So I don't buy the argument not to use the full gismu in a lujvo, the rafsi would mean the exact same thing. mi'e norpan