From phma@webjockey.net Tue Nov 19 05:18:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 19 Nov 2002 13:18:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 63138 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 13:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Nov 2002 13:18:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2002 13:18:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18E8GO-0006ek-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:18:00 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18E8Fq-0006eS-00; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:17:26 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:17:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=neofelis.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18E8Fl-0006eG-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 05:17:21 -0800 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 5B3253C48B; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:16:48 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Let's be friends Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:16:45 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20021116225301.QCGE4359.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@Savv> <0211190730090E.01930@neofelis> <1037710704.9323.15.camel@caesar.safelogic.se> In-Reply-To: <1037710704.9323.15.camel@caesar.safelogic.se> X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211190816450H.01930@neofelis> X-archive-position: 2642 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Tuesday 19 November 2002 07:58, Martin Norbäck wrote: > tis 2002-11-19 klockan 13.30 skrev Pierre Abbat: > But isn't it an absolute requirement that the tanru and the lujvo are > special cases of the root gismu? > > If xajyfi'e (dolphin?) isn't a fish, then finpe cannot mean "fish", but > perhaps "fish-like animal". > > And the gismu word-list says: > x1 is a fish of species x2 [metaphorical extension to sharks, non-fish > aquatic vertebrates] > > Why sharks are mentioned, I don't know, since they are true fish, but > dolphins can be counted as non-fish aquatic vertebrates, as can penguins > and crocodiles. > > So I don't buy the argument not to use the full gismu in a lujvo, the > rafsi would mean the exact same thing. "metaphorical extension" AFAIU means that it can be used with that meaning in a tanru, even if the gismu by itself doesn't mean that. phma