From jcowan@reutershealth.com Thu Nov 21 04:37:48 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 21 Nov 2002 12:37:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15393 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 12:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2002 12:37:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2002 12:37:46 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18EqaY-0003GF-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:37:46 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18EqaK-0003Fq-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:37:32 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [65.246.141.151] (helo=mail2.reutershealth.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18EqaG-0003Ff-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 04:37:28 -0800 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA28840; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:49:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200211211249.HAA28840@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:34:33 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Newbie says hi To: rizen@surreality.us Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:34:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20021121022710.486e1e45.rizen@surreality.us> from "Theodore Reed" at Nov 21, 2002 02:27:10 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 2654 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: John Cowan Reply-To: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Theodore Reed scripsit: > > How does lojban handle names with more than one part (for example > > birth and family name)? Using hyphens seem unlojbanic to me but making > > a pause is AFAIK not allowed within a name. > > I would use a , myself. as in "mi'e SIodor,rid.", but pauses may > actually be allowed in cmene. I'm not entirely sure. I swear I've seen > them being used, though. Comma between two identical consonants would be very hard to distinguish from a single consonant. But in fact the matter is academic, because wherever one cmene is allowed by the grammar, so is more than one: la djeimyz. kuk. braun. is valid. > I don't think you can use se'inai like that. It's (afaik) supposed to > indicate that you are oriented toward something which is not yourself, > perhaps to indicate charity or something along those lines. (Which is > a silly idea to me, I admit, but I suppose that someone might actually > be capable of charity with absolutely no self-serving intent.) It's not about "absolutely no self-serving intent". It's about the difference between "I want it" and "I want you to have it", e.g. -- Even a refrigerator can conform to the XML John Cowan Infoset, as long as it has a door sticker jcowan@reutershealth.com saying "No information items inside". http://www.reutershealth.com --Eve Maler http://www.ccil.org/~cowan