From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Nov 21 09:42:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 21 Nov 2002 17:42:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 37847 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 17:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2002 17:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2002 17:42:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18EvLp-0000bj-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:42:53 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18EvLk-0000bS-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:42:48 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18EvLg-0000bJ-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:42:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:42:44 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Newbie says hi Message-ID: <20021121174244.GG31370@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <002c01c29130$ed6b86e0$929c07d5@oneof> <20021121022710.486e1e45.rizen@surreality.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021121022710.486e1e45.rizen@surreality.us> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2659 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:27:10AM -0800, Theodore Reed wrote: > I don't think you can use se'inai like that. It's (afaik) supposed to > indicate that you are oriented toward something which is not yourself, > perhaps to indicate charity or something along those lines. (Which is > a silly idea to me, I admit, but I suppose that someone might actually > be capable of charity with absolutely no self-serving intent.) I suppose nothing of the kind. However, that doesn't change the fact that sometimes the proximate cause of your actions or feeling is someone else's behaviour or needs, and it is useful to be able to indicate that. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ http://www.lojban.org/ la lojban. jai curmi roda .einai to ku'i so'ada mukti le nu co'a darlu le'o -- RLP I'm a *male* Robin.