From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Nov 21 17:28:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 22 Nov 2002 01:28:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 96384 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 01:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2002 01:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 01:28:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18F2bw-0002sS-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:28:00 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18F2bt-0002s7-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:27:57 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18F2bo-0002ry-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:27:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:27:52 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Newbie says hi Message-ID: <20021122012752.GA11023@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20021121174244.GG31370@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2667 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:54:09PM -0500, Craig wrote: > >> I don't think you can use se'inai like that. It's (afaik) supposed > >> to indicate that you are oriented toward something which is not > >> yourself, perhaps to indicate charity or something along those > >> lines. (Which is a silly idea to me, I admit, but I suppose that > >> someone might actually be capable of charity with absolutely no > >> self-serving intent.) > > >I suppose nothing of the kind. > > However, the language is culturally neutral, or tries to be. Thus, we > should not impose our own cynical views of human nature - if the > language can express ulterior motives, it should be able to handle > altruism just as deftly, whether its current speakers would ever use > that feature or not. Absolutely. And se'inai will deal with that just fine, IMO. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ http://www.lojban.org/ la lojban. jai curmi roda .einai to ku'i so'ada mukti le nu co'a darlu le'o -- RLP I'm a *male* Robin.