From phma@webjockey.net Thu Nov 21 19:34:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 22 Nov 2002 03:34:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 97451 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2002 03:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Nov 2002 03:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2002 03:34:56 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18F4am-0003nF-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:34:56 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18F4Zo-0003mf-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:33:56 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:33:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=neofelis.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18F4ZL-0003mB-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:33:28 -0800 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id A24B63C477; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:32:44 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="CP 1252" To: Subject: [lojban] Re: mi nanca li (was: Re: Newbie says hi Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:32:42 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211212232420S.01930@neofelis> X-archive-position: 2669 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Thursday 21 November 2002 18:17, And Rosta wrote: > I generally don't understand what "by standard" places mean, but > I find it hard to construe a "by standard" place as defining the > event expressed by the x1. When a person is seen as an event, I do > indeed see that even as delimited by birth and death, at least > by default. I certainly don't see it as at all plausibly delimited > by birth and the present time. "2002 is currently 11 months in > duration by some standard" seems silly and false to me, as does > "1992 is ten years in duration by some standard" (ten years from > beginning to now). As I understand it, the standard place in measuring words indicates what kind of year, meter, cubit, autc. you are using. So, mi nanca li 20 la mars., or for a less extreme example, lo nanca be li pa bei loi tarci cu zmadu lo nanca be li pa bei loi citsi lo djedi be li 0.014. (I also say {tarselmanri nanca} for {nanca fi loi tarci}.) phma