From phma@webjockey.net Sun Nov 24 06:08:09 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 24 Nov 2002 14:08:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5481 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2002 14:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Nov 2002 14:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2002 14:08:08 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id A9B043C477; Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:08:07 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_H933WL44QIHCPCR93D5Q" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jeeg and Talen for Rosetta Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:08:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0211240908051C.01930@neofelis> Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 --------------Boundary-00=_H933WL44QIHCPCR93D5Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here is the Jeeg and Talen story, prepared as a glossed vernacular for Rosetta. Let me know if there's anything more to do before I upload it. phma --------------Boundary-00=_H933WL44QIHCPCR93D5Q Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"; name="djig-talen.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="djig-talen.html" Jeeg and Talen

Jeeg and Talen: a short Loglan story or poem

Original text

LO CORTA GE LOGLA STUCI CA VIRSA

Mi pa vetfa levi ja cmima stuci jo.

To ba pa gandi. I ne le tora pa nu namci li Djig lu. Ice le norsa pa nu = namci li Talen lu. I le gandi pia traci lo Rara gi duo be ji lepo lo gandi pa traci. I do durd= u cansivdu. I la Djig cutse li Nu jimta Talen lu. I levi po jimta pa fu stari la Talen = gi numoi lepo da djano lepo da bisti djimi la Djig gi nanobi. Imoi da kuncu li Ue ei= tu sui rardjano lu.

Nau eu la Talen fea rardjano kie tiu nu snola lepo da nu plipu li sui lu= kiu. Isoa kia no da cnida lepo kuncu gi nusoa lepo da bisti djano le nu retcu.

Interlinear translation

Mipa vetfalevijacmimas= tucijo.
mipu fintilevifu'epe'azdilelisrifu'o
Iinventedthis(figurative)funny<= /td>story
= zo .djig.=
Tobapagandi.I= neletorapanunamcili D= jig lu.Icelenorsapanu= namcili Talen lu.
ni'oredapucevni.ipaleremeipusecmene.ijeledratapusecmenezo .talen.
Twothingsweregods.One ofthetwowasnamed"Jeeg",andtheotherwasnamed"Talen".
IlegandipiatraciloRaragi duobe jilepologand= ipa traci.Idodurducansivdu.
.ilecevnipuca'olitrule= kensata'i depoinulo'e= cevnipu litru.irasimxucunpe'i<= /td>
Thegodsweretravelingth= euniverseby the methodthatt= he typicalgodtraveled.Theymutu= allymet at random.
Talen
Ila DjigcutseliNu jimtalu.Ile vipojimtapafu starila Talengi numoi
.ila djig.cuskuludoi talen.rinsa koli'u.idi'u noinur= insakeipuspajila talen.mu'i
Jeegsaid,"Be greeted,T= alen.*"Thisgreet= ingsurprisedTalenbecause
djimi= met
lepodadjanolepoda bistila Djigginanobi.ImoidakunculiUeeitus= uirardjanolu.
lenuridjunoledu'upurci= penmila djig.canodi.isemu'ibo<= /td>raretskulu.uexudoji'aroldjunoli'u
heknewthathe previouslyJeegatnotime.Sohe= asked,"Aha!Areyoualso= omniscient?"
kie<= td>(
Naueula Talenfearardjanotiunu snolalepodanu plipu= li sui lukiu.
ni'oda'ila talenca'aroldjunotodi'use niblilenuripiln= ozo ji'atoi
WereTalenreallyomniscientthisis implied bythatheuse= s"also")
retskuask
Isoakianoda cnidalepok= uncugi nu soalepodabistidjano<= /td>lenu retcu.
.iseni'iborananitculenuni'ilenuraba'odjunoledanfu
thereforehedoesn'tneedtobecausehealreadyknows<= /td>theanswer.

*Lojban word order: O Talen, greet you!

Lojban translation

mi pu finti le di'e fu'e pe'a zdile lisri fu'o

ni'o lei re cevni zo'u zo .djig. fa'u zo .talen. cmene .i cy. ca'o litru= le kensa tai lo'e nu lo'e cevni cu litru .i cy. cunpe'i simxu i la djig. cusku lu coi .talen. li= 'u i le nu rinsa cu spaji la talen. noi ke'a djuno le du'u ke'a noroi pu penmi la djig .i semu'ibo ty= . preti cusku lu .ue xu do ji'a roldjuno li'u

ni'o ro mu'ei le du'u la talen. ca'a roldjuno kei noi le nu ty. pilno zo= ji'a cu stidi nibli ke'a cu na nitcu le nu preti cusku kei ki'u le nu ty. djuno le danfu

English translation

I have invented this "amusing story" [horror quotes]

There were two gods. One of the two was named Jeeg, the other Talen. And= the two of them were travelling about in the Cosmos in whatever manner it is that gods travel and they happ= ened to run into each other. Jeeg said, "Hail, Talen." Now this greeting rather surprised Talen because = he knew that he had never met Jeeg before. So he asked, "Oh, are you omniscient too?"

If Talen were really omniscient (as he implies by his use of "also") the= n he wouldn't need to ask, because he'd already know the answer.

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