From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Nov 29 21:12:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 30 Nov 2002 05:12:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 79106 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2002 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2002 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2002 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021130051229.YVQY2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:12:29 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130000308.03a38a90@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:04:42 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Fu'ivla diphthongs was: Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy In-Reply-To: <0211292122280R.02982@neofelis> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021129210004.03152dd0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021129210004.03152dd0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 09:22 PM 11/29/02 -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: >On Friday 29 November 2002 21:00, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > It is NOT that "ua" is not permitted in a fu'ivla (I can't specifically > > recall a prohibition, at least), but that it is not clear that kuarka, > > ku,arka, and ku'arka can be considered as *different* words because of the > > alternate orthography (which would be unusable if we allowed all VV's to > > exist in both diphthong and non-diphthong forms). > >As I understand it, in standard orthography, commas make no difference to >word identity, e.g. spatrkinua=spat,r,kinu,a, even though they are accented >differently. So kuarka=ku,arka but kuarka<>ku'arka. > >In fu'ivla, SO ia-iu and ua-uu are unchanged in alternate orthography, and SO >i'a-i'u and u'a-u'u are AO i,a-i,u and u,a-u,u. So: >SO kuarka = AO kuarka >SO ku'arka = AO ku,arka >SO ku,arka = AO kuarka , since the comma is ignored in SO. Precisely. So ua is allowed in kuarka. Now repeat the analysis for srutio/sruti'o. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org