From opoudjis@optushome.com.au Sat Nov 30 20:10:55 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Dec 2002 04:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 27935 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 04:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2002 04:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.147) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 04:10:55 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17180.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.40]) by mail025.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB14ArF22651 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:10:54 +1100 Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:10:53 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Loglan To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90350612 X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis Steven, I don't get what you want the baseline statement to day. That Loglan is ancestral to Lojban? Sure, but that's history, it has nothing to do with the baseline. That Lojban is Loglan? I've never accepted that either, but that is current LLFG policy. I considered raising a motion against it, but decided it honestly wasn't worth the effort. That strings of Loglan be acceptable in Lojban? Absolutely not, Lojban is its own language, That there shall be a Lojban to Loglan toggle cmavo? The BPFK will consider such a motion, and you already know there is at least one vote against. That any work be done to merge Lojban and Loglan into the same language, or even into similar languages? I have no interest in that, and I doubt many Lojbanists dating from after the split (the clear majority) do either. That we recognise Loglan is a sibling language, and that Loglanists may have insights of value to Lojban? Doesn't do any harm, but I don't see the big deal. McIvor is welcome to sit in on the BPFK, I suppose. But he sits on it as a Lojbanist, not a Loglanist: I'm not doing a thing to advance language merger, only to advance the interests of Lojban. Personally, I think the best respect to Loglan is done by leaving them alone, to their own language. We're not at war, but I really don't see the point in actively pinching people. A little bilingualism never hurt anybody. So Steven, please clarify what you'd want. (And btw, rejoice! We finally have an Academy [of sorts] :-) ) -- Dr Nick Nicholas [Stephen] King published _The Green Mile_ as Research Assistant the first serialized novel since the 1920s, French & Italian in a gesture that was meant to recall the University of Melbourne serial work of Dickens. No doubt, King is the Australia Dickens this century deserves. nickn@unimelb.edu.au -- Richard von Busack, _Metro Santa Cruz_, http://www.opoudjis.net Dec. 8-15 1999, p. 29.