From phma@webjockey.net Sat Nov 30 21:48:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Dec 2002 05:48:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 30886 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2002 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 05:48:05 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 210EC3C47F; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:48:01 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:47:57 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20021130143249.K47281-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021130224944.0334bec0@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130224944.0334bec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0212010047580X.02982@neofelis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com From: Pierre Abbat X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 On Saturday 30 November 2002 23:14, Logical Language Group, Inc. wrote: > At 07:31 PM 11/30/02 -0600, Steven Belknap wrote: > >The toggle cmavo is not documented in Loglan, to my knowledge. So it > >"exists" only in lojban. > > It does not officially exist in Lojban either, documented or undocumented, > since it would be a change to the baseline. The byfy could add it, and I > suggested this as the sort of thing that the byfy might indeed consider. li'o > I don't think that anything has been done to explicitly alienate the TLI > community, and much that is not reportable has gone on behind the scenes > towards the contrary. But legally, we can do nothing with JCB's language > without explicit permission from TLI; I remain under a threat from their > lawyer merely because I prepared a list of corresponding cmavo from the two > versions with the intent of putting that list in an appendix to the > dictionary. I believe that the current TLI management would not pursue > that hostile approach to us, but we are extremely constrained between the > community's commitment to the Lojban baseline and the copyright claims > dispute that originally engendered Lojban. Adding {xo'a ... hoa} to the grammar would require adding the entire Loglan grammar to the Lojban one, and more besides, since the toggle could occur in a variety of places in a sentence and we would have to figure out what happens to grouping rules, terminators, etc. when switching languages in the middle of a tanru. If we can't even publish a list of corresponding cmavo, there's no way we can add {xo'a}. phma