From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Dec 01 15:35:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Dec 2002 23:35:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 78470 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 23:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2002 23:35:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 23:35:29 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021201233527.OZQI2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:35:27 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021201182011.0312d120@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:28:12 -0500 To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Loglan In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 07:08 PM 12/1/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote: >Are there actually any active Loglanists interested in such a thing? "Are there actually any active Loglanists" is the proper question. >I myself was formerly in favour of rapprochement, if only so newcomers >don't get posed the choice of Loglan vs Lojban. But if Loglan is now >nigh-on extinct, there seems no point in rapprochement, though >I would favour more actively applying the name Loglan to Lojban, >to ensure that people seeking Loglan (e.g. by googling) find their way >to modern Loglan, i.e. Lojban. I suppose what I'm saying is that if >there isn't enough of a thriving TLI Loglan community to actually have >rapprochement with, we should go the other way and more volubly declare Lojban >to be Loglan. There is not and really has NEVER been a "thriving TLI Loglan community" in the sense that we would use that phrase with Lojban. On the other hand, JCB sold over the years probably 2000-3000 copies of Loglan 1 in its various versions (the initial print run of a thousand for the 3rd edition sold out in less than a year, since he spent the money to advertise in Scientific American, and people remembered the 1960 article). There are thus a relatively enormous (compared to either of the two "active" communities) number of what Steven Belknap called "sleeper cells" or rather "sleeper individuals" out there many of whom are waiting for what JCB never delivered, and we are close to delivering: a "completed" language that they can learn without fear of the powers that be changing it yet again for purposes of "improvement" (a symptom that has killed so many artificial languages and their communities in the last hundred years that you would think that we'd learn something by now). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org