From lojban-out@lojban.org Sun Dec 01 15:40:13 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Dec 2002 23:40:13 -0000 Received: (qmail 41041 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 23:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2002 23:40:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 23:40:13 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Idh6-0000AE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:40:12 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Idgx-00009w-00; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:40:03 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Idgp-00009e-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:39:55 -0800 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.67] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ADAA9255005A; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 18:39:22 -0500 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Some concerns from a Lojban beginner Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <1038785193.18814.9.camel@norpan.org> Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.67] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-archive-position: 2836 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: raganok@intrex.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: raganok@intrex.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out >I've just recently started to learn Lojban, and so far I like what I >see. >I am getting a bit troubled when I read the discussion about catering >for the other Loglan dialect as well. >As I've understood it, they are mostly orthogonal when it comes to >gismu, and that's where the big learning part is for me at least. I am >quite fast in picking up grammar and semantics, but terribly slow in >learning new words. >So, anyone wanting to have a way to incorporate Loglan words into >Lojban, please go ahead, but I won't be able to read them, I am not >interested in learning double sets of words. >Changing the baseline words, the 1300 gismu, is also probably a >no-option. >I thinks it's better to keep the languages separate and let people use >the one they think is better. >By the way, if anyone has a good method for learning words, let me know! I absolutely agree. However, I should point out that there is no assumption that we would all learn Loglan in xo'a were official. I do not understand what it would be used for, except maybe quoting Loglan text, but I have no intention of learning what amounts to a whole new language just because someone wanted Lojban to be a steward of the dzebau.