From xod@thestonecutters.net Sun Dec 01 15:56:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Dec 2002 23:56:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 2473 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 23:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2002 23:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 23:56:30 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Idws-0000GE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:56:30 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Idwn-0000Fx-00; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:56:25 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Idwf-0000Fo-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 15:56:17 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB1NtlY52895 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:55:47 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Prayers to Lord Zipf (was: Why we should cancel the vote or all vote NO (was Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy)) In-Reply-To: <20021201235315.GA29685@allusion.net> Message-ID: <20021201185038.T52499-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2840 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Jordan DeLong wrote: > > > > I don't crave ANY change to any cmavo that I already know and use. I want > > the bloody language to stop changing long enough for me and others to > > really learn it and BECOME skilled speakers. > > .iecai > > Shortings of ke'a and ce'u and du'u etc (and not groups of cmavo > containing them) are nothing less than tinkering, as far as I'm > concerned. It would never happen without significant deliberate > prescription in the future, which is something hopefully to be a > unneeded as possible. Rearranging cmavo to appease Zipf should be done by renegade users. The BF lacks (and should continue to lack) the mandate for such a thing. The BF is for cleaning up the existing language, not for altering it to propitate competing idols. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.