From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Mon Dec 02 05:05:45 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 2 Dec 2002 13:05:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 77895 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 13:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2002 13:05:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp05.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 13:05:44 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-53-243.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.53.243]) by lmsmtp05.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C80F1FB03 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:05:43 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: RE: [lojban] Re: Loglan Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:07:51 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Steven: > On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 05:14 PM, Invent Yourself wrote: > > > For heaven's sake! If someone is new to this whole mess, and after > > reading > > that hoary article they search and discover that there are two existing > > dialects now forty years on, and that one is alive and the other is > > dying, > > the furthest thing from their minds will be looking for a cmavo to > > toggle > > between them!! They will look for the best dialect, and learn it! If > > they > > mistakenly select Loglan, so be it > > More likely, they will conclude that we are fractured community of > warring, clueless Bozos and avoid both lojban and Loglan I just tried googling for Lojban and for Loglan. 384000 hits for Lojban. 6750 hits for Loglan. (Volupuk, 29500; Esperanto, 1,080,000; Novial, 2000; "Klingon" 398000, Tlingan, 46; Quenya, 35,200; Laadan 3300.) So someone doing a bit of sustained investigation would soon realize that Lojban is 57 times more active than Loglan... Note that Esperanto has only 3 times more hits than Lojban. But I do think that it is important to work on reunifying the language. Given that the old version seems to be dead, in practise reunification means pointing out that Lojban is the living version of Loglan, and this could be pointed out a little more prominently in our official web presence. I don't see it as disrespectful to TLI Loglan: we're not dissing the language, we'd just be pointing out that it is moribund, and helpfully pointing out to newbies who have heard of Loglan that the living community of Loglanists is to be found in Lojbanistan. --And.