From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 02 16:48:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 00:48:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 65421 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 00:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 00:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 00:48:18 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J1EY-0003ZY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:48:18 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J1ER-0003ZH-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:48:11 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J1EN-0003Z8-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 16:48:07 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB30s0G9042833 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:54:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB30s0iA042832 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:54:00 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:54:00 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: The "Vote for Nick" platform Message-ID: <20021203005400.GB41942@allusion.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021202182540.03166920@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021202182540.03166920@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 2917 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 06:33:34PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 01:50 PM 12/2/02 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 11:18:21AM +1100, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > > .i mi ckire doi djorden. fi lenu do sarji > > > .i pe'i lenu vimcu loi glico le la .irycy. vreji na sarcu > > > >People on IRC have already stated that they will be on IRC a lot less if > >all of their words may become public. While I disagree with their POV, > >I will oppose anything that will cause less IRC usage. >=20 > Not knowing the issues, or the personalities: would those who are=20 > so-opposed find it acceptable if any archived log anonymized or removed=20 > identities (which seems like it would be an easy processing effort)? The= =20 > primary purpose is to archive usage, not users. >=20 > If that is insufficient, would a restricted access archive be acceptable= =20 > (limited to preapproved Lojban researchers)? Good idea, but I think it may proove quite difficult to get that working right for removing identities. The reason being that it's common to prefix the line with the person you are addressing (irc equivalent of doi) and such things. It seems from a bit of chatting with the people on IRC that a bot logging only the lojban text would be acceptable. It would be acceptable to me, at least, and at least one other lojbanist who wasn't too keen on the full-text logs seems to think it would be probably reasonable. Personally, I don't see how the english text would be at all relevent to gathering usage information on lojban-only discourse---sure, one or two half&half conversations may be difficult (impossible) to follow, but those conversations don't reflect lojban-only usage anyway, and so are only useful from a perspective of word frequency, in my view. Anyway, I'll talk to robin some about this at some point to see about the whole log-bot idea doing lojban-only text. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE97ACoDrrilS51AZ8RArbzAKCmzoXix5fQCnM0m/3UFuNjFkwIZQCeNTRT VsFT42zFdvfJDVvF+NGVy7k= =NGjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lEGEL1/lMxI0MVQ2--