From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 02 17:55:35 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 01:55:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 3664 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 01:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 01:55:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 01:55:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J2He-0003xN-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:55:34 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J2Ha-0003x6-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:55:30 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J2HV-0003wr-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 17:55:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:55:25 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Why we should cancel the vote or all vote NO (was RE: Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy Message-ID: <20021203015525.GI1558@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20021202205558.GI1520@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2926 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 01:50:57AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > Robin: > > On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:23:20PM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > > > I don't think it is right for the Board to formulate policy that > > > seeks a mandate without first consulting the community on what > > > that policy should be. I don't even think it's right for the > > > voting members to do so either. > > > > Then what the hell is the *point* of having a board? > > I've been wondering about that, and also about the point of having > voting and nonvoting members. I gather it has something to do with DC > legal requirements, but I'm not really clued up. > [snip] > > > Yeesh > > What does "yeesh" mean? .o'ocu'i > > Umm, there's this thing called 'change' that you may have heard of. > > If this passes, and you have an objection to a specific aspect, you > > are more than welcome to call for a change at the member's meeting > > I don't really understand the protocols and procedures. I'm not sure > whether what I was describing is technically 'change'. I was being sarcastic. My point is that nothing is set in stone; the membership can change any decision the board makes at any time. > If I want to put forward a motion that the Board consult the > membership, do I call that 'change'? I'm pretty confused -- are the > by-laws online anywhere? OK, you are apparently speaking from absolute ignorance of the actual way the LLG is run. Go to http://www.lojban.org/llg.html, read the bylaws and the minutes, and then try again. -Robin PS: Once again, why the hell do I put so much work into re-organizing the main site? The URL above is *one* *click* from *any* page on the main site, and it's not a subtle click, either. -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u jmaji le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi