From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Mon Dec 02 19:17:30 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 03:17:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 68064 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 03:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 03:17:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 03:17:24 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J3Yn-0004uv-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:17:21 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J3Xr-0004uV-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:16:23 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.114]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J3Wa-0004u5-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:15:04 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-55-180.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.55.180]) by lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB02647E85 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:14:30 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: [lojban] factionalization (was: RE: Re: Why we should cancel the vote or all vote NO (was RE: Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:16:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021202205014.GG1520@digitalkingdom.org> X-archive-position: 2939 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Robin: > Factionalization pisses me off How would you like things to work? Am I right in thinking that you would like everybody to reach consensus, by the minority abandoning its dissent for the sake of the greater good? I think this is what Lojbab yearns for. In my view, influenced by Nick's, the model that would work best is akin to parliamentary democracy, where you have different factions but each respects the rights of the others, including its right to exist, to express its views, and so on. The Opposition is a Loyal one. This is not just a matter of each faction selfishly guarding its own rights at the expense of the greater good of the society. Rather, each faction sincerely believes that it is acting in the best interests of the society. --And.