From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 02 19:47:46 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 03:47:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 40705 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 03:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 03:47:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 03:47:45 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J42D-000565-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:47:45 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J42B-00055o-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:47:43 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J426-00055f-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 19:47:38 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB33rWG9045925 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:53:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB33rW3e045924 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:53:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:53:32 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: constitutional amendability (was: RE: Re: Official Statement- LLG Board approves newbaseline policy Message-ID: <20021203035332.GB45692@allusion.net> References: <20021202230857.GR1520@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 2945 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 03:38:47AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > Robin: > > On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 12:53:33AM +0200, Adam Raizen wrote: [...] > > > Maybe something like that would satisfy And: adding a clause which > > > states that if a sufficiently large portion of the community feels th= e > > > need to change something or add a statement of clarification, it coul= d > > > be done=20 > >=20 > > Of *course* it can be done=20 > >=20 > > This is a statement of LLG policy; it can be ammended or destroyed at > > *any* member's meeting by a vote of the membership=20 >=20 > I'm not sure if it's LLG policy or the internals of the baseline that > are being talked about here. Either way, if today's generation of > Lojbanists pledges that the constitution shall not be amended, then > even though tomorrow's generation can nevertheless amend it, they > will feel under some obligation to respect the promises made by their > forebears. I was in favour of not morally tying the hands of future > generations (by issuing a promise that there will never be change),=20 > but I get the impression from others' responses that they are mostly > in favour of it, so there is nothing more to be said on the issue. What's this crap about 'future generations'? The new baseline will last *only* five years.... that's hardly any time at all. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE97Cq7DrrilS51AZ8RAnZ+AKCDpBmrTG29KzcXLVEZKckLuYmZGgCbBi02 hxqKqhxps3hJBosRBesSOqs= =Kavl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML--