From lojban-out@lojban.org Mon Dec 02 22:06:19 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 06:06:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 6070 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 06:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 06:06:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 06:06:19 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J6CJ-0006EC-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:06:19 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18J6CF-0006Dv-00; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:06:15 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18J6CB-0006Dm-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 22:06:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:06:11 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: nature of debate (was: RE: Re: Why we should cancel the vote or all vote NO (was RE: Official Statement- LLG Board appr Message-ID: <20021203060611.GW1558@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <200212030527.AAA00210@mail2.reutershealth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200212030527.AAA00210@mail2.reutershealth.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2958 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 12:12:13AM -0500, John Cowan wrote: > And Rosta scripsit: > > > But more importantly, debates that drag on and on don't drag on > > because new arguments and counterarguments keep on getting raised. > > They drag on partly because the nature of email means we forget what > > has been said, but -- and this is the key point -- mainly because > > people restate the same arguments over and over again. > > That is the key insight on which IBIS, the discourse model on which > the Elephant is based, is based. BTW, your like to IBIS from the Elephant wiki page is, if not broken, at least very strange. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u jmaji le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi