From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Dec 03 14:08:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 3 Dec 2002 22:08:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 91515 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 22:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Dec 2002 22:07:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:07:59 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18JLCx-0000q2-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:07:59 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JLCp-0000pl-00; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:07:51 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JLCk-0000pY-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 03 Dec 2002 14:07:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB42B2721B for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:07:11 +0200 (EET) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp31.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.33]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C3C271F6 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 00:07:10 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3DED2CD0.5070509@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 00:14:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: little-endian vs. big-endian (was:Specific example of Sapir-Whorf in English OR How Lojban made me think more clearly) References: <0H6I00GBZKTYWC@mxout2.netvision.net.il> <20021203003734.GA41942@allusion.net> <3DECBFB0.5040802@newmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 2980 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Turner From: Robin Turner Reply-To: robin@bilkent.edu.tr X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out Adam Raizen wrote: > la djorden. cusku di'e > >> I use big-endian in english, but lojban's specified (I think? I >> only remember this from nick/robin's lessons; dunno what, if anything, >> the book says) to use little endian. >> >> It's probably not a problem to go ahead using big-endian, though, >> since the two are unambig because the year is 4 digits. > > > I don't think that the book says anything about it, though I'm not > completely certain, but at any rate, this is clearly an extra-linguistic > issue. In the US they use middle-endian dates, whereas in Britain they > use little-endian dates, and no one claims that Americans and Britons > speak different languages because of that. It's a bit like metric vs. > English Imperial. Little-endian vs. big-endian is more like normal equation order vs. reverse Polish, or SVO vs. VSO - it's a matter of what you're comfortable with. Middle-endian is like imperial measurements; i.e. totally ludicrous. robin.tr -- "Do unto others what you would like others to do unto you. And have fun doing it." - Linus Torvalds Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent University Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin