From jcowan@reutershealth.com Wed Dec 04 14:52:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 4 Dec 2002 22:52:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 62879 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 22:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2002 22:52:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 22:52:21 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18JiNQ-0005Wg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:52:20 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JiNK-0005W1-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:52:14 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [65.246.141.151] (helo=mail2.reutershealth.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JiNF-0005Vm-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 14:52:09 -0800 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27612; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 18:03:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212042303.SAA27612@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:48:16 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglan To: rmcivor@macsrule.com Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:48:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <3F311E98-07D7-11D7-A3CE-00039362FD2A@macsrule.com> from "Robert McIvor" at Dec 04, 2002 05:25:09 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 3018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: John Cowan Reply-To: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Robert McIvor scripsit: > but I used my veto power successfully on two of JCB's changes that I > thought were inconsistent with Loglan principles. Out of curiosity, what were those changes? > I would say that the > Academy followed And's opinion. Maintain the status quo, but be open > to extensions and corrections as needed. > The commonest changes were assignment of unassigned rafsi, I think there's only one rafsi that still *could* be assigned to a word that doesn't currently have any. Some other words could get an additional rafsi, but there isn't much point. For some reason not known to me, Lojban adopted an extra constraint with the rafsi: no more than one CVV, one CCV, and one CVC. Loglan allows up to 3 rafsi, but there can be more than one of a given form. For example, felda (Lojban farlu) has rafsi fel, fed, fea. Lojbab, do you remember why this changed? > and place > structure modification, though I resisted changes to places to > well-known words. I think the community as a whole has given up on fixing gismu places: too much work, too little life. :-) > Any author could add lujvo as needed. Naturally. > The name of your 'slinkui' rule is based on a Loglan word 'paslinkui' > which could > break to pa slinkui if slinkui were a legitimate word. Actually, later > we abandoned the > slinkui restriction by requiring paslinkui type words to be hyphenated > as pasylinkui. We thought about that, but it didn't seem to make sense to favor borrowings over complexes. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan "Any legal document draws most of its meaning from context. A telegram that says 'SELL HUNDRED THOUSAND SHARES IBM SHORT' (only 190 bits in 5-bit Baudot code plus appropriate headers) is as good a legal document as any, even sans digital signature." --me