From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed Dec 04 17:05:31 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Dec 2002 01:05:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 61343 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 01:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2002 01:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 01:05:31 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18JkSJ-0006ru-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:05:31 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JkSC-0006rb-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:05:24 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:05:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.113]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JkS7-0006rL-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 17:05:19 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-69-185.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.69.185]) by lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040163D0E9 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:04:47 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglan Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:06:56 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021205000858.GK22111@digitalkingdom.org> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 3027 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Robin: > On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 07:05:33PM -0500, Craig wrote: > > >>> McIvor is not on the BPFK, is he? Why not invite him? > > >> > > >> Bob expressly wants to invite him. I didn't, and if he is invited, > > >> as far as I'm concerned, he's invited as a Lojbanist (or at the > > >> least, as someone with expertise in Logical Language), not as a > > >> Loglanist > > > > >I received an informal invitation to participate, but having read all > > >the correspondence to this point, I see no point in doing so > > > > I must say, I am extremely dissappointed. Not that anyone chooses not > > to be on the bypyfyk, but that we have driven away a person who has > > expressed some interest in the language > > He's explicitely declared that he has no interest in learning the > vocabulary of lojban. What definition of 'interest in the language' are > you using? I would say that reading this list and participating to some extent counts as interest in the language. I have no interest in making conscious effort to learn the vocab (though I do like it when I learn words without having made any conscious effort to do so), yet I devote a great deal of time and energy and thought to Lojban, so presumably am manifesting an interest in it. Bob doesn't make clear which elements of the correspondence put him off participating. I hope it wasn't the fear of being made unwelcome or of being the target of hostility or rudeness. If that was the reason, we should really try to put it right. OTOH, I imagine that at 78 one feels impelled to allocate one's time with a judiciousness unknown to reckless youth, and I can well imagine that a sane person would think that involvement with the BF would not qualify as judicious use of time. --And.