From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Dec 04 18:54:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Dec 2002 02:54:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 91422 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 02:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2002 02:54:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 02:54:20 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021205025419.PEFE1248.lakemtao04.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:54:19 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021204213727.030d2980@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:47:12 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Loglan In-Reply-To: <200212042303.SAA27612@mail2.reutershealth.com> References: <3F311E98-07D7-11D7-A3CE-00039362FD2A@macsrule.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 05:48 PM 12/4/02 -0500, John Cowan wrote: >For some reason not known to me, Lojban adopted an extra constraint with >the rafsi: no more than one CVV, one CCV, and one CVC. Loglan allows >up to 3 rafsi, but there can be more than one of a given form. >For example, felda (Lojban farlu) has rafsi fel, fed, fea. > >Lojbab, do you remember why this changed? It made the assignment job easier, as well as the job of learning the rafsi: if you know there can only be one CVC, then if you know one, then there are no more. This was (I thought, and whoever I consulted agreed) better at addressing arguments that the rafsi system was difficult to learn. The cost is the occasional hyphen that might be required by one CVC that could have been eliminated by having a second one. Given that we could not eliminate more than a small fraction of such hyphens (I think it was under 5% and probably more like 1% of the set of hypothetical lujvo used for tuning), easier learning took precedence. In the 1994 retuning of rafsi assignments, we went even further, eliminating some CVVs when there was a CCV and vice versa. (BTW, Thanks to Bob McIvor for speaking up. I don't have anything to comment on his messages, but feel it far better when Bob speaks for TLI interests rather than me.) lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org