From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Dec 04 21:31:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Dec 2002 05:31:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 14482 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 05:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2002 05:31:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 05:31:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Joba-0000bC-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:31:22 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JobW-0000au-00; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:31:18 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18JobR-0000aj-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 21:31:13 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB55bHG9070389 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:37:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB55bHW2070388 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:37:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:37:17 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] penguins (was Re: Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy) Message-ID: <20021205053717.GA69718@allusion.net> References: <3DF4400F@webmail.uic.edu> <0212050017190A.01986@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0212050017190A.01986@neofelis> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 3052 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:17:18AM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 04 December 2002 20:59, sbelknap wrote: > > Another point, is that when my son learns the lojban for a word in a gi= ven > > symantic category, he wants to know the other words in the same categor= y. I > > translated Pierre's post for him, and we talked about the birds datka, > > gunse, jipci, and xruki. He wanted to know the gismu for penguin, which= is > > prominently displayed on a Linux book on my desk. I told him limcpi, bu= t I > > guess that's probably not very good. >=20 > There isn't a gismu for penguin, but there is one for Antarctica, dzipo. = I=20 > don't know a good word for penguin. I've tried these: > sfenisku: meaningless lujvo. cipnrsfenisku is ok, but cumbersome. > sfeniku or sfenisu: ok, but don't sound quite right. > bisycpi: not all penguins live on ice, there are some as far north as=20 > Gal=E1pagos. > zipcpi or zi'ocpi: ditto. There are other birds there as well. zi'ocpi so= unds=20 > like a nonexistent bird. There's nothing wrong with the components of the lujvo not mapping onto penguins and penguins only, and still limiting the meaning of the lujvo itself to penguins (seljvajvo (and obviously the ad hoc lujvo zbasu methods also) make this quite clear). IMHO, none of the above suggestions are bad except "sfenisku" and the type 4s. I'd suggest {tsudzucpi} (place structure =3D=3D cipni). Penguins are notoriously rotund, and waddle (or slide) around instead of flying. Yes there are probably other birds which have these characteristics, but none are as notorious as the penguin (cf. pipybanfi =3D=3D frog, even though lots of amphibians can hop also). --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE97uYNDrrilS51AZ8RArxnAJwIR4zCYG+FJzqzlLkxoZrWjigluQCfTIom U9mdU2lQ9euK/dvhL7kQhyE= =6ixJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT--