From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 05 12:25:43 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Dec 2002 20:25:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 74439 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 20:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2002 20:25:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 20:25:43 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18K2Z5-0001Lj-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:25:43 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18K2YU-0001LL-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:25:06 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.41]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18K2YP-0001LA-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:25:01 -0800 Received: from macsrule.com (85.78.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.78.85]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB5KP0mD000193 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:25:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:25:19 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis In-Reply-To: <20021205005537.GL22111@digitalkingdom.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-archive-position: 3087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@macsrule.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robert McIvor From: Robert McIvor Reply-To: rmcivor@macsrule.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Mercredi, déce 4, 2002, at 19:55 US/Eastern, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:52:06AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: >> Bob McIvor: >>> Most newcomers to TLI have looked at both languages before deciding >>> to go with TLI >> >> I'm curious as to what their reasons were. Do you know? >> >> (I found Loglan (word lists) shortly before Lojban. I never really >> made a conscious choice between them, > > I, on the other hand, did make a concious choice. I was actually > canvassing all sources I could find for a logical language. The > *instant* I discovered that Loglan was copywritten, I dropped it in > favour of lojban. > This was the main reason for lots of lojbanists in the early days. JCB devised the language as an experimental tool, and did not wish it to depart from his plan while it was still in construction. He also had considerable amounts of his money invested in it, and wished to ensure that anything published in Loglan had Institute approval before publication. This led to a quarrel with the Washington group, and in turn to an assertion of copyright on the vocabulary which forced the latter, when they decided to separate, to create their own vocabulary. Personally, I felt that JCB had made the wrong decision, which he probably came to regret, though he never explicitly said so to me. I was one of an earlier board that had felt his wrath and been ousted by his Trustees, when we asserted the control that we had every reason to believe he had turned over to us. I forgave, if not forgot this personal attacks on us at that time, and I think he learned his lesson, since after the schism, he accepted criticism and suggestions from those that had remained in his camp. Robert A McIvor