From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Dec 05 12:49:51 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Dec 2002 20:49:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 59071 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2002 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 20:49:50 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18K2wQ-0001aU-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:49:50 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18K2vq-0001aA-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:49:14 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.34]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18K2vl-0001a1-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:49:09 -0800 Received: from macsrule.com (85.78.33.65.cfl.rr.com [65.33.78.85]) by smtp-server1.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB5Kn7dt012184 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:49:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:49:26 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0AA43179-0893-11D7-A3CE-00039362FD2A@macsrule.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-archive-position: 3089 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rmcivor@macsrule.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robert McIvor From: Robert McIvor Reply-To: rmcivor@macsrule.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Mercredi, déce 4, 2002, at 20:18 US/Eastern, And Rosta wrote: > Robin: >> On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:52:06AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: >>> Bob McIvor: >>>> Most newcomers to TLI have looked at both languages before deciding >>>> to go with TLI >>> >>> I'm curious as to what their reasons were. Do you know? >>> >>> (I found Loglan (word lists) shortly before Lojban. I never really >>> made a conscious choice between them, >> >> I, on the other hand, did make a concious choice. I was actually >> canvassing all sources I could find for a logical language. The >> *instant* I discovered that Loglan was copywritten, I dropped it in >> favour of lojban > > Yes, that is a good reason. (I am assuming you mean what I would call > "copyrighted" and not "copywritten".) I have never seen a TLI statement > of its position on copyright, though. > As far as I know, it was never asserted to other than LLG, with whom there had also been acrimonious litigation with regard to the name 'Loglan' He had a personal animosity towards Logbab whom he remained convinced had acted dishonestly with Loglan materials which he had demanded to be returned. Having seen how badly he had misjudged me during the earlier tiff, I never believed his accusations. In fact, though he had a very quick sharp mind, he had a poor memory, which was partly responsible for his many desired changes to the grammar, as he had forgotten the resaons for the status quo. Robert McIvor