From opoudjis@optushome.com.au Thu Dec 05 21:36:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 05:36:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 70611 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 05:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 05:36:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.138) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 05:36:16 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17180.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.40]) by mail010.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB65aEF23730 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:36:14 +1100 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:36:13 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: Arabic, Hindi, Urdu, Simp.Chinese required To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90350612 X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 01:19:54 +0200 From: Robin Turner Subject: Re: Arabic, Hindi, Urdu, Simp.Chinese required > Nick Nicholas wrote: >> Lojbanists, I take a break from your scheduled argling to notify you >> that the new version of the Level 0 package is up, incorporating Robin >> Powell's comments; it also incoporates a pronunciation key in the six >> base languages of Lojban. > > Very nice! > > The only thing I'd take issue with (which I think I've mentioned > before) > is the idea that Lojban is more verbose than English because of the > lack > of unmarked metaphor / idiom. I think this is compensated for by > attitudinals and the fact that a lot of grammatical features are > optional (tense, aspect etc.). I've introduced a hedge (documented on the wiki) which should deal with this. > It would also be nice if we could find a more aesthetically pleasing > font for Lojban text, but PDF is tricky that way - I've produced > unreadable (under Windows) PDF documents by trying to use my favourite > font. I'll put up a sampler of monospace and monospacish fonts for people to express opinions from. I'm having to generate the pdf via Windows now rather than Mac, and for now am sticking to what comes with Win2000 or is freeware. Lojban is currently Andale Mono; I wouldn't mind going to Trebuchet. Courier is not an option. There's added complications that printers typically want postscript rather than truetype fonts, and there aren't many postscript fonts around any more. But we'll deal with that later. -- Dr Nick Nicholas, French/Italian. University of Melbourne, Australia http://www.opoudjis.net nickn@unimelb.edu.au "All the nations also under his dominion were filled with joy and inexpressible gladness at not being even for a moment deprived of the benefits of a well ordered government." --- Eusebius of Caesaria on the accession of Constantine I.