From opoudjis@optushome.com.au Thu Dec 05 21:49:17 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 05:49:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 72123 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 05:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 05:49:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 05:49:16 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17180.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.40]) by mail017.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB65nCC32684 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:49:15 +1100 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:49:12 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Aesthetics To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7240E02B-08DE-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90350612 X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis Speaking completely irresponsibly for a change: And's argument that not conforming to Latin alphabet conventions when writing in the latin alphabet is not utterly bogus. But reading Lojban is hard enough work already without introducing *some* signposts. .imU'ileda'inunago'ikeinodafAntelenurojbOprecucIskataitu'adei I have favoured using braces to help out in complex structures. Yes, we already have phonetic punctuation. But like I say, it's hard enough already. This got vetoed when I did it in the introductory prose to the two books, though. Which I accept, since they are exemplars of Standard Lojban, and the optional punctuations have never been considered Standard. (Dunno if I liked the = marker for sentence beginnings either. We have more choices now, with Unicode...) When I write lojban, I use lots of linebreaks and lots of indentation. For the same reason. And I regard the refusal to include graphic representations of punctuation (the dotless style) as callousness to me the reader. Yes, I can work out Lojban written without dots. But why is your lojban so cool as to merit the extra headache? The real solution is a web engine converting between styles, of course. -- Dr Nick Nicholas [Stephen] King published _The Green Mile_ as Research Assistant the first serialized novel since the 1920s, French & Italian in a gesture that was meant to recall the University of Melbourne serial work of Dickens. No doubt, King is the Australia Dickens this century deserves. nickn@unimelb.edu.au -- Richard von Busack, _Metro Santa Cruz_, http://www.opoudjis.net Dec. 8-15 1999, p. 29.