From opoudjis@optushome.com.au Fri Dec 06 01:43:32 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 70523 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.171) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17180.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.40]) by mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB69hVN20744 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:43:31 +1100 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:43:31 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Official Tengwar! To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2DE1036E-08FF-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=90350612 X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:15:57 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier Subject: Re: Baseline statement > At 04:22 AM 12/5/02 -0800, Theodore Reed wrote: >> Which Tengwar orthography? I recall there being like 5 different >> versions, three of which are elrond's. When I made the LojbanTengwar >> yudit input mode (available if anyone wants it), I used one of >> elrond's >> with a few minor mods. > > The one in CLL is the officially baselined non-standard %^) Which means Raymond, of course. OK, I admit this is a wholly frivolous thing to bring up (in either sense); but if anyone is going to have the nerve to say "Elrond's schemes are illicit, because CLL gives Raymond's", then we either say "CLL can't be official about stuff it describes as unofficial, please get a grip" --- or we pass an addendum into the CLL at that point, saying "there are other Tengwar schemes out there, by people actually still with us as opposed to blogging about the right for infants to bear arms" :-) . Note that backward compatibility was mostly retained with Raymond's scheme in the consonants. At least, mostly. And I think they are all mutually intelligible. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ Nick Nicholas. The Nonce and Future Henry Squirrel was thirsty. He Linguist. University of Melbourne. walked over to the river bank nickn@unimelb.edu.au where his good friend Bill Bird http://www.lexicon.net.au/~opoudjis was sitting. Henry slipped and fell in the river. Gravity drowned. --- TALE-SPIN Story Generator, James Meehan, Yale AI Lab, 1975.