From jcowan@reutershealth.com Fri Dec 06 04:07:33 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 12:07:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 71627 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 12:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 12:07:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 12:07:27 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17239; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:19:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212061219.HAA17239@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:07:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Baseline statement To: opoudjis@optushome.com.au (Nick Nicholas) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 07:07:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: from "Nick Nicholas" at Dec 06, 2002 07:28:49 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Nick Nicholas scripsit: > Besides, now that I've read the blasted thing, John had anticipated > this anyway: > > Lojban sruti'o = Loglan sruti,o > Lojban srutio = Loglan srutio > > The comma is a phoneme in Loglan transliteration, which does much of > the work of the Lojban apostrophe. Therefore, sruti'o and srutio are > distinct in Lojban, and this is not annulled in the Loglan > transliteration, which also renders them distinctly. Therefore the > difference between the two remains legit. Alas, no, he's right and you and I are wrong. The mapping in lujvo is Std "i'o" = Alt "io", since Std "io" can't occur in lujvo. The mapping in fu'ivla is Std "i'o" = Alt "i,o" and Std "io" = Alt "io". So Std "sruti'o" (being a lujvo) maps to Alt "srutio", and "Std" "srutio" (being a fu'ivla) maps to Alt "srutio". Bzzzzt. -- First known example of political correctness: John Cowan "After Nurhachi had united all the other http://www.reutershealth.com Jurchen tribes under the leadership of the http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Manchus, his successor Abahai (1592-1643) jcowan@reutershealth.com issued an order that the name Jurchen should --S. Robert Ramsey, be banned, and from then on, they were all _The Languages of China_ to be called Manchus."