From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Dec 06 08:54:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 16:54:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 73440 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 16:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 16:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 16:54:36 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KLkK-00077H-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:54:36 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KLjj-00076v-00; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:53:59 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KLjd-00076l-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 08:53:53 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB6H03G9088582 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:00:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB6H03VS088581 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:00:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:00:03 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Aesthetics Message-ID: <20021206170003.GA88066@allusion.net> References: <7240E02B-08DE-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7240E02B-08DE-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 3137 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 04:49:12PM +1100, Nick Nicholas wrote: > Speaking completely irresponsibly for a change: .u'i > And's argument that not conforming to Latin alphabet conventions when=20 > writing in the latin alphabet is not utterly bogus. >=20 > But reading Lojban is hard enough work already without introducing=20 > *some* signposts.=20 > .imU'ileda'inunago'ikeinodafAntelenurojbOprecucIskataitu'adei No one is actually suggesting *every* space should be left out. .ipe'iledomUplicumIlxelekace'udUkse.inojbOprecuca'acIskatai > I have favoured using braces to help out in complex structures. Yes, we=20 > already have phonetic punctuation. But like I say, it's hard enough=20 > already. This got vetoed when I did it in the introductory prose to the=20 > two books, though. Which I accept, since they are exemplars of Standard=20 > Lojban, and the optional punctuations have never been considered=20 > Standard. Personally, I think such markup is somewhat un-Lojbanic, however, I have no real objections as long as the original words are left in place. (i.e. 'xu?' and not just '?', '=ABlu' and not just '=AB'). > (Dunno if I liked the =3D marker for sentence beginnings either. We have= =20 > more choices now, with Unicode...) >=20 > When I write lojban, I use lots of linebreaks and lots of indentation.=20 > For the same reason. >=20 > And I regard the refusal to include graphic representations of=20 > punctuation (the dotless style) as callousness to me the reader. Yes, I=20 > can work out Lojban written without dots. But why is your lojban so=20 > cool as to merit the extra headache? IMHO leaving out dots is much more un-Lojbanic than putting in a few european-style punctionation marks. Though I dislike both practices. > The real solution is a web engine converting between styles, of course. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE98NeTDrrilS51AZ8RAr85AJ4lnBC0By8pPaV4CY0yPIKdJrFtzQCgj3li +3Wt91eQsKKlMGQ/5PDLKWQ= =H4qZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24--