From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Dec 06 10:06:01 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 18:06:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 1833 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 18:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 18:06:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 18:06:00 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KMrQ-0007nY-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:06:00 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KMqr-0007lk-00; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:05:25 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KMqk-0007lV-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:05:18 -0800 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:05:18 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: cmegadri valfendi preti Message-ID: <20021206180518.GA28980@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <02120414202304.01986@neofelis> <5.1.0.14.0.20021205200740.00ac9740@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021205200740.00ac9740@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 3144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 08:11:28PM -0500, Nora LeChevalier wrote: > At 10:34 AM 12/5/02 +0100, Lionel wrote: > > >Pierre Abbat: > >> Another question: why is the cmegadri broken off from what precedes > >> it, instead of just breaking between the cmene and the cmegadri and > >> leaving the cmegadri to be found later? What about {MUstelaVIson} > >> and {muSTElaVIson}? How should they be analyzed? > > > >Because when you make that break you *must* flag the cmegadri part as > >a cmegadri (otherwise a pause before the cmene would have been > >necessary), whereas a further parsing may change what you thought was > >a cmegadri to, say, a brivla ending... which would then invalidate > >your previously parsed cmene! (I hope I am clear enough :-) So: > >{MUstelaVIson} = {MUste la Vison} and {muSTElaVIson} is rejected > >because a brivla cannot end with a stressed syllable. Note that, > >while I consider that result correct, I find the error label quite > >unlogical: a forward parsing would give an error after parsing > >{muSTEla}, saying that a pause is needed before cmene {Vision}, which > >seems much more palatable: better error messages are another > >advantage IMO of a change of the current backward algorithm for a > >forward one. > > > >-- Lionel > > I used a backward algorithm because a forward algorithm is susceptible > to garden-pathing. For example, > 'miKLAmaleZARcifuleKARcegi'eBEVrileDAKlis' is a name, but you don't > know it until the final letter. I ended up in a discussion about that. The problem is that *any* pause ends a word. I'd be *very* impressed if you could find someone that could get that off easily without pausing (for breath, if nothing else). -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u jmaji le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi