From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Fri Dec 06 12:18:36 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 20:18:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 68721 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 20:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 20:18:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp05.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 20:18:35 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-71-59.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.71.59]) by lmsmtp05.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5261FB1C for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:18:34 +0100 (MET) To: Subject: preprocessor (was: RE: Re: response to And Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:20:45 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <810DAAAE-08EF-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin Nick: > [lexer preprocessing] > > #I think this is compatible with the baseline if you squint long > > enough, > > #but frankly I'd rather that ruling be made fifty years from now > > I think the proposal would only work during a prescriptive phase, > > albeit far in the future > > Which presupposes that people will still be writing parsers for Lojban > in 50 years. If it evolves naturally, I'd say they can't -- at least, > not a parser for conversational Lojban. I don't see how we can prevent > anyone from doing preprocessor tricks in 50 years time. I can see that > we won't be doing them in the next 5 Natural language does "preprocessor tricks", using portmanteau fusions (French "de + le > du") and ellipsis ("another (one)"). I wasn't supposing that people will literally be writing parsers. But they may still conceptualize the design of Lojban as a set of rules a machine would apply to process sentences. > [Grice Salvator: see Wiki. global squinting: what you can say about > lo'e merko is objectively based on the properties of all 300 million > Americans. local squinting: what you can say about lo'e merko is > subjectively based on the properties of the Americans you actually > know. I think. But I haven't gone through jboske list yet.] One could write a nice jboskebot counterpart to the chomskybot: "Grice Salvator allows goatleg glorking via local squinting", say. --And.