From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Dec 06 15:52:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 23:52:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 44014 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 23:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 23:52:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao04.cox.net) (68.1.17.241) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:52:40 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021206235239.IYGQ1248.lakemtao04.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:52:39 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021206183557.00a9c050@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 18:39:13 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Some concerns from a Lojban beginner In-Reply-To: <20021206203025.GL28980@digitalkingdom.org> References: <1FD5CBE3-079C-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> <1FD5CBE3-079C-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=1120595 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab At 12:30 PM 12/6/02 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 02:21:56AM +1100, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > IMO, whatever the political motivations, Lojban loses by being defined > > publicly in terms of Loglan. Think how many sleeper cells you pick up > > by saying Lojban is a Loglan --- and then consider how much damage is > > done when Don Harlow, in his description of conlangs, sneeringly > > refers to "Loglan and its offshoot, Lojban." > >I hadn't thought about it that way before. I think I agree. When Don Harlow or any Esperanto leader sneers, they make Esperanto look bad, not us. Lojban is indeed an offshoot of Loglan; indeed Lojban IS Loglan. Harlow says it, and I brag it. People who are willing to consider a logical language do not look down on us for being an "offshoot". And if we make a constructive peace with TLI, we will be the language schism that mended, and be able to sneer at them (if we should wish to be so impolite %^). lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org