From lojban-out@lojban.org Fri Dec 06 16:54:41 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28426 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 00:54:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 00:54:40 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KTEu-0005Ov-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:54:40 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KTEs-0005Oc-00; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:54:38 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:54:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KTEm-0005OT-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:54:32 -0800 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB710lG9093096 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:00:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB710lM9093095 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:00:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:00:46 -0600 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: penguins, neologisms, cratylism (was: RE: penguins Message-ID: <20021207010046.GA93052@allusion.net> References: <02120612362504.02354@neofelis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-archive-position: 3182 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Jordan DeLong From: Jordan DeLong Reply-To: fracture@allusion.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 12:49:15AM -0000, And Rosta wrote: > pier: > > On Thursday 05 December 2002 18:58, And Rosta wrote: > > > I know why you think that; there are sound rational grounds > > > > > > But {sfenisku} was my favourite. Long-form fuhivla do indeed seem > > > too clunky, while lujvo can seem blandly homogeneous and lacking > > > in distinctiveness, especially in what one might call 'cratylism', > > > the property of form mystically embodying meaning. I've there's > > > one person whose judgement I'd trust on neologisms, it would be > > > Michael Helsem > > > > But if lo sfenisku is a penguin, what is lo nisku? >=20 > If we are asking questions like these, then maybe Lojban really is > moving from a mere design to a proper language that we explore > & discover. Anyway, {sfenisku} =3D "surface nisku" =3D penguin. What > do penguins have to do with surfaces? Easy -- they stay on it, > if it is the surface of land/ice -- they don't fly -- or they > dive beneath it if it is the surface of water. So a nisku is some > kind of bird, a class that includes penguins, such that penguins > are distinctive within that class in regard to their special > connection with surfaces. >=20 > Perhaps I should add {nisku} to the list of unofficial gismu? [...] vamtu --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE98Ug+DrrilS51AZ8RAhqYAJ9DTV4ieOeRhWnxnabqA7Qa7LLSqgCdHak8 pW0e8H25NawasuhKgzja64M= =ko9G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO--