From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 00:19:11 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 08:19:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 21812 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 08:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 08:19:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 08:19:10 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KaB4-0003oE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:19:10 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KaB0-0003nn-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:19:06 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KaAv-0003nO-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 00:19:01 -0800 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 00:19:01 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Some concerns from a Lojban beginner Message-ID: <20021207081901.GO28980@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <1FD5CBE3-079C-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> <1FD5CBE3-079C-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> <5.2.0.9.0.20021206183557.00a9c050@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021206183557.00a9c050@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 3208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 06:39:13PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 12:30 PM 12/6/02 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 02:21:56AM +1100, Nick Nicholas wrote: > > > IMO, whatever the political motivations, Lojban loses by being > > > defined publicly in terms of Loglan. Think how many sleeper cells > > > you pick up by saying Lojban is a Loglan --- and then consider how > > > much damage is done when Don Harlow, in his description of > > > conlangs, sneeringly refers to "Loglan and its offshoot, Lojban." > > > >I hadn't thought about it that way before. I think I agree. > > When Don Harlow or any Esperanto leader sneers, they make Esperanto > look bad, not us. Lojban is indeed an offshoot of Loglan; indeed > Lojban IS Loglan. Harlow says it, and I brag it. People who are > willing to consider a logical language do not look down on us for > being an "offshoot". And if we make a constructive peace with TLI, we > will be the language schism that mended, and be able to sneer at them > (if we should wish to be so impolite %^). I actually had no idea who Don Harlow was, at all. I just don't like being considered an offshoot of anything in that sense; it can be made to sound derogatory. Not sure how much I care, but it's a point that was worth making, I think. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u jmaji le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi