From jcowan@reutershealth.com Sat Dec 07 08:29:50 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 16:29:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 9683 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 16:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 16:29:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 16:29:49 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Khpt-0004kO-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:29:49 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Khpp-0004k4-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:29:45 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [65.246.141.151] (helo=mail2.reutershealth.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Khpk-0004jv-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:29:40 -0800 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01442; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:41:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212071641.LAA01442@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:29:07 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Aesthetics To: fracture@allusion.net Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:29:07 -0500 (EST) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20021207071425.GA713@allusion.net> from "Jordan DeLong" at Dec 07, 2002 01:14:25 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 3220 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: John Cowan Reply-To: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=8122456 X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan Jordan DeLong scripsit: > Also I can't *stand* crap like "2moi". I see it and read "two moi", > I can't read it remoi. Furthermore it looks like 1337-speak. I pretty much have the same problem when reading French, German, or Spanish (or trying to read them is more like it): anything ideographic like 2 automatically comes out "two" no matter what the embedding language. But that isn't an argument against the Lojban form: "2moi" is no worse than "2nd" or "2e" or "2.", and people going from one language to another just have to get used to these forms. -- Long-short-short, long-short-short / Dactyls in dimeter, Verse form with choriambs / (Masculine rhyme): jcowan@reutershealth.com One sentence (two stanzas) / Hexasyllabically http://www.reutershealth.com Challenges poets who / Don't have the time. --robison who's at texas dot net