From xod@thestonecutters.net Sat Dec 07 12:38:54 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 20:38:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 10712 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 20:38:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Kliv-0007l7-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:38:53 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Klis-0007ko-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:38:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Klin-0007kb-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:38:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB7KcGq92543 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:38:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:38:15 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Aesthetics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021207153048.M91480-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3232 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Craig wrote: > >Why is [h] not an optimal pronunciation for '? (Yes I know the > >title of the thread is 'aesthetics', but you seem to be implying > >there's some kind of reason). > > Because there is a greater phonic contrast between [T] and [f] or [s] than > between [h] and [x]. Not when [x] is spoken by someone who can do it properly. > I use [T], but only because I can't get the ll sound. I assume that [T] means thorn? In looking for a reference URL for IPA, I find this chart (http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/fullchart.html), which lacks a capital T glyph. What source are you guys using? -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.