From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 12:58:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 20:58:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 55298 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 20:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 20:58:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 20:58:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Km1y-0007xe-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:58:34 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Km1w-0007xL-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:58:32 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:58:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Km1r-0007xC-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:58:27 -0800 Received: from nora.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021207205756.BOKG2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@nora.lojban.org> for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:57:56 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021207155737.00aa5b30@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: noras@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 15:59:18 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: cmegadri valfendi preti In-Reply-To: <200212071627.LAA01373@mail2.reutershealth.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20021206223513.03a4fec0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 3238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: noras@lojban.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Nora LeChevalier From: Nora LeChevalier Reply-To: noras@lojban.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out At 11:15 AM 12/7/02 -0500, John Cowan wrote: >Robert LeChevalier scripsit: > > > fu'ivla, especially Type IVs, however, are irregular, and thus there are > > few aural patterns that distinguish them. I haven't heard spoken Lojban > > with a lot of fu'ivla in them, but I suspect that with fluent speech they > > will be the hardest to identify. > >I would actually like to see the byfy nail down the definition of Type 4s, >saying "They take these forms and no others" rather than the current >negative definition: "They take whatever forms are left after gismu/ >cmavo compounds/lujvo/Type 3s/rafsi fu'ivla have been removed." Especially since the definition in CLL may be broken. It says type IV's can't be any combination of cmavo, gismu and lujvo; but it never says (at least I can't find it) that it can't be a combination of cmavo and shorter fu'ivla! -- mi'e noras noras@lojban.org Nora LeChevalier