From xod@thestonecutters.net Sat Dec 07 13:00:00 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 21:00:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 65704 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 20:59:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 20:59:58 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Km3J-0007zr-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:59:57 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Km3H-0007zY-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:59:55 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Km3C-0007yI-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 12:59:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gB7KxLx92647 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:59:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:59:21 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Aesthetics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021207155437.I91480-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3240 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, Craig wrote: > Because there is a greater phonic contrast between [T] and [f] or [s] than > between [h] and [x], to me. This is like a Japanese person saying insisting that r and l sound alike. Meanwhile, Kemitic has ', [x], and two distinct sounds BETWEEN them! > Are we agreed that if you can actually say it, the lateral pronunciation > would be more distinct? No. I hear that Welsh ll as closer to thorn and s than h is to [x], when [x] is done with gusto. > Besides, ' capitalizes to h (eg in selma'o names). I think I'll start > capitalizing all my ns, and watch the complaints roll in. I use a [N] > pronunciation in many cases anyway... What does this mean? What sound is [N]? -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.